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	<title>Comments on: Quick Tipp - tipping</title>
	<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/</link>
	<description>German Quirks from an American Perspective</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-47680</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-47680</guid>
		<description>another german: Was für Tip(p)s geben die denn so? Nützliche? Oder Sportwetten-Tip(p)s? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another german: Was für Tip(p)s geben die denn so? Nützliche? Oder Sportwetten-Tip(p)s? <img src='http://nothingforungood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: another german</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-47186</link>
		<dc:creator>another german</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-47186</guid>
		<description>Bin Barkeeper aus München
Guter Service = mind 10%
Amerikaner haben den ruf bei uns im Normalfall 15% zu geben.
Engländer und Franzosen geben normalerweise gar nichts.
Amerikaner und Japaner sind bei uns die liebsten Gäste weil freundlich und gute Tipp Geber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bin Barkeeper aus München<br />
Guter Service = mind 10%<br />
Amerikaner haben den ruf bei uns im Normalfall 15% zu geben.<br />
Engländer und Franzosen geben normalerweise gar nichts.<br />
Amerikaner und Japaner sind bei uns die liebsten Gäste weil freundlich und gute Tipp Geber.</p>
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		<title>By: ait Da</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-19013</link>
		<dc:creator>ait Da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-19013</guid>
		<description>TIE.  With all due repect I love my brother but when he waits he is like a monster.  He cleans the isles all the way down to the front and then makes drinks first.  You can not beat the service.  Way to go Mikey!  Love Mousetashi Williamson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIE.  With all due repect I love my brother but when he waits he is like a monster.  He cleans the isles all the way down to the front and then makes drinks first.  You can not beat the service.  Way to go Mikey!  Love Mousetashi Williamson.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut Hartmann</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-17179</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut Hartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-17179</guid>
		<description>In as much as I grew up in Germany I always engage in heavy duty discussions (arguments) about tips with my partner, a native Yankee. She brings up the fact that waitresses receive low pay. That is not my fault or problem. If someone pays me a wage that I cannot live with, I find a diferent job. I drove a shutle busforyears. The only gratuety I got was at Christmas time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In as much as I grew up in Germany I always engage in heavy duty discussions (arguments) about tips with my partner, a native Yankee. She brings up the fact that waitresses receive low pay. That is not my fault or problem. If someone pays me a wage that I cannot live with, I find a diferent job. I drove a shutle busforyears. The only gratuety I got was at Christmas time.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5351</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5351</guid>
		<description>Hi Felix,

In the US credit card/debit card tips are paid out to the wait staff nightly. There is a kind of check out procedure where they add up all the money owed to the restaurant and subtract out all the credit card tips that are paid to the restaurant. So the waiter walks out each day with the all the tip money. The waiter will be taxed on credit card tips, because their is a record of them, but it is up to the waiter to report all cash tips, I have a feeling most waiters forget a buck or two then ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Felix,</p>
<p>In the US credit card/debit card tips are paid out to the wait staff nightly. There is a kind of check out procedure where they add up all the money owed to the restaurant and subtract out all the credit card tips that are paid to the restaurant. So the waiter walks out each day with the all the tip money. The waiter will be taxed on credit card tips, because their is a record of them, but it is up to the waiter to report all cash tips, I have a feeling most waiters forget a buck or two then ; )</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5315</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5315</guid>
		<description>i read more comments, and maybe your readers wonder how waiters and waitress  work here in my country (Chile). They must have legal contracts, they have a fixed salary, and tips are discretiional as i expleyned before.

F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read more comments, and maybe your readers wonder how waiters and waitress  work here in my country (Chile). They must have legal contracts, they have a fixed salary, and tips are discretiional as i expleyned before.</p>
<p>F.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5313</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-5313</guid>
		<description>hey hello, here in chile (third world, south america, maybe you didn't even know where the hell are we, very far away, :-) we use cash, checks, credit and debt cards; when we pay (maybe the same paying methods as you): in case we pay with cash or checks the tips are discretional, i.e. you choose the amount (0, 5%, 10%, 20%) regarding how you felt the service were.  If you pay with cash you leaves the tip on the table
If you pay with debt or credit card the money last 1 to 2 month to arrives to the waitress (yes, so it is. I beleive in your country is so, too; please find out and shout out, if you are kind enough). 
;-)

a great hug from Chile, 
F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey hello, here in chile (third world, south america, maybe you didn&#8217;t even know where the hell are we, very far away, <img src='http://nothingforungood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> we use cash, checks, credit and debt cards; when we pay (maybe the same paying methods as you): in case we pay with cash or checks the tips are discretional, i.e. you choose the amount (0, 5%, 10%, 20%) regarding how you felt the service were.  If you pay with cash you leaves the tip on the table<br />
If you pay with debt or credit card the money last 1 to 2 month to arrives to the waitress (yes, so it is. I beleive in your country is so, too; please find out and shout out, if you are kind enough).<br />
 <img src='http://nothingforungood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>a great hug from Chile,<br />
F.</p>
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		<title>By: Till</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Till</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-4083</guid>
		<description>John, excellent tips for Americans in G. And Bluto excellent tips for Germans in USA. Thanks.

I have a hard time supporting the American tipping system because it is not very social. Very often waiters here are paid super, super dumping wages or nothing at all. In addition they often have no contracts. This means no health insurance, no unemployment insurance, no benefits. If business is slow, they get send home and just don't earn anything that day and the boss doesn't have to pay for them. This basically adds up to modern day slavery. On top of that waiters here often have no clue what they are doing in terms of gastronomic standards and etiquette. They are usually superficially friendlier and all smiles but what I need is someone who is polite, efficient and knowledgeable, not someone who says: Hi my name is JOhn and I'll be your waiter, who tells me his life story and asks for mine and who comes by at least three times to ask me how everything is going while I am either chewing or talking. Both options are impolite and result in a lower tip. Also most Americans do not know the silverware code but at least waiters should know. Emily Post sure knows it. When the silverware (fork and knife) form a V on your plate you are still eating. When they are laid out next to each other, so to say bundled and are diagonally across the plate, you are finished and only then can the waiter take your plate.

Anyways, by giving them rather generous tips I support the owner's slave system and the lack of gastronomic professionalism. When you go to a restaurant in Germany where you pay 80-100Eur per person, the wait staff can be expected to be professionally educated. There are schools that will give you an apprenticeship that lasts three years just to become a waiter. Now that's refinement. In those cases I would be willing to tip 15% but it is not necessary because these people get a salary and benefits. So I tip around 10% which is on the slightly generous side for Germany especially if the bill is 100+ Eur.

In France they tell you that 15-18% of the price goes to the waiter. That is not to be seen as a tip but his salary. I think that is actually quite fair as they do get small tips on top of that.

Overall, a waiter in a good or luxury restaurant can make $4000 p.m. here and could never make that in Germany. However, if you count the benefits and the US waiter had to pay for those same benefits the salary would be comparable but not the level of service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, excellent tips for Americans in G. And Bluto excellent tips for Germans in USA. Thanks.</p>
<p>I have a hard time supporting the American tipping system because it is not very social. Very often waiters here are paid super, super dumping wages or nothing at all. In addition they often have no contracts. This means no health insurance, no unemployment insurance, no benefits. If business is slow, they get send home and just don&#8217;t earn anything that day and the boss doesn&#8217;t have to pay for them. This basically adds up to modern day slavery. On top of that waiters here often have no clue what they are doing in terms of gastronomic standards and etiquette. They are usually superficially friendlier and all smiles but what I need is someone who is polite, efficient and knowledgeable, not someone who says: Hi my name is JOhn and I&#8217;ll be your waiter, who tells me his life story and asks for mine and who comes by at least three times to ask me how everything is going while I am either chewing or talking. Both options are impolite and result in a lower tip. Also most Americans do not know the silverware code but at least waiters should know. Emily Post sure knows it. When the silverware (fork and knife) form a V on your plate you are still eating. When they are laid out next to each other, so to say bundled and are diagonally across the plate, you are finished and only then can the waiter take your plate.</p>
<p>Anyways, by giving them rather generous tips I support the owner&#8217;s slave system and the lack of gastronomic professionalism. When you go to a restaurant in Germany where you pay 80-100Eur per person, the wait staff can be expected to be professionally educated. There are schools that will give you an apprenticeship that lasts three years just to become a waiter. Now that&#8217;s refinement. In those cases I would be willing to tip 15% but it is not necessary because these people get a salary and benefits. So I tip around 10% which is on the slightly generous side for Germany especially if the bill is 100+ Eur.</p>
<p>In France they tell you that 15-18% of the price goes to the waiter. That is not to be seen as a tip but his salary. I think that is actually quite fair as they do get small tips on top of that.</p>
<p>Overall, a waiter in a good or luxury restaurant can make $4000 p.m. here and could never make that in Germany. However, if you count the benefits and the US waiter had to pay for those same benefits the salary would be comparable but not the level of service.</p>
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		<title>By: Aufrechtgehn</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-2774</link>
		<dc:creator>Aufrechtgehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-2774</guid>
		<description>I have to shamefully admit that I always under-tipped waiters and especially bartenders when visiting CA. To make things worse, I already knew that I'm expected to tip 1 $ per drink in a bar, but still couldn't do it. Not because of stinginess: I'd have no problem paying 5 $ for two bottles of Miller (and adding another 1 $ tip), but to leave a 2 $ tip, when the price for those two bottles was just 2.50 $ - I simply couldn't. Because I'm trained to that 10% rule... and I'd be able to add up to a 20% tip knowing waiters earn less elsewhere. But to tip almost 100% - it seems stupid to me and I can't overcome it. I know that's stupid of me, so I'd like to say sorry to all that friendly S.F. bartenders I rudely unter-tipped. Nothing personal, just a cultural thing-

Oh, and while I'm on it: is there a reason I always got a light beer (eeergh!) when I simply asked for "A beer, please"? A subtle comment of me being a tad overweight? Can anybody enlighten me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to shamefully admit that I always under-tipped waiters and especially bartenders when visiting CA. To make things worse, I already knew that I&#8217;m expected to tip 1 $ per drink in a bar, but still couldn&#8217;t do it. Not because of stinginess: I&#8217;d have no problem paying 5 $ for two bottles of Miller (and adding another 1 $ tip), but to leave a 2 $ tip, when the price for those two bottles was just 2.50 $ - I simply couldn&#8217;t. Because I&#8217;m trained to that 10% rule&#8230; and I&#8217;d be able to add up to a 20% tip knowing waiters earn less elsewhere. But to tip almost 100% - it seems stupid to me and I can&#8217;t overcome it. I know that&#8217;s stupid of me, so I&#8217;d like to say sorry to all that friendly S.F. bartenders I rudely unter-tipped. Nothing personal, just a cultural thing-</p>
<p>Oh, and while I&#8217;m on it: is there a reason I always got a light beer (eeergh!) when I simply asked for &#8220;A beer, please&#8221;? A subtle comment of me being a tad overweight? Can anybody enlighten me?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/16/quick-tipp-tipping/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill splitting is really one of the joys in Germany/Austria. Even with a dozen people at the table, some leaving early/coming late, its possible (and common) to split bills for everybody, no problem at all, the waiter will just mark items on the bill that are already paid for.

In the US, on the other hand, waiters always react like this is something incredibly complicated and onerous. It probably has something to do with not including the tax in menu prices, which is really, really STUPID. 

It's probably one of the modern world wonders of stupidity. 

I really, deeply, absolutely don't care how high the tax in the state, county, town is or how many dollars go to the IRS, I just want to know how much I have to pay in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill splitting is really one of the joys in Germany/Austria. Even with a dozen people at the table, some leaving early/coming late, its possible (and common) to split bills for everybody, no problem at all, the waiter will just mark items on the bill that are already paid for.</p>
<p>In the US, on the other hand, waiters always react like this is something incredibly complicated and onerous. It probably has something to do with not including the tax in menu prices, which is really, really STUPID. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably one of the modern world wonders of stupidity. </p>
<p>I really, deeply, absolutely don&#8217;t care how high the tax in the state, county, town is or how many dollars go to the IRS, I just want to know how much I have to pay in the end.</p>
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