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	<title>Comments on: Germans intentionally learn the wrong kind of English</title>
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	<description>German Quirks from an American Perspective</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bradley Akers</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-30161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Akers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering history I'll stick by my opinion that one cannot be alarmist enough about prejudice.  Americans cannot, in any way, be generalized.  My home state enjoys lower rates of obesity, higher levels of education, longer life spans and better infrastructure than Germany (CIA World Fact Book, US Centers for Disease Control, PISA Study website, UN Human Development Index – Look it up).  Still, I'm frequently reminded by Germans that my way of life is inferior.  Even your schadenfreude above regarding opinion of Americans in Latin America shows a bias you can't seem to hide.  I too have traveled in Latin America and have never experienced any negativity about my nationality.  I speak Spanish well and spend time out of the tourist areas.  I've been invited into homes and enjoyed unbroken weeks with local families in Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua.   Not one mention of my citizenship was made.

As for your insistence that Indo-European languages did not first emerge in what is now north central India, I can't believe you'd really rely on Wikipedia.  Like I said, I have a degree from a university better than any in Germany on this subject and am thus more qualified than the 14-year-old genius who posted to Wikipedia.  The theory, like the theory of evolution, is only controversial to those without knowledge about the subject.  Like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering history I&#8217;ll stick by my opinion that one cannot be alarmist enough about prejudice.  Americans cannot, in any way, be generalized.  My home state enjoys lower rates of obesity, higher levels of education, longer life spans and better infrastructure than Germany (CIA World Fact Book, US Centers for Disease Control, PISA Study website, UN Human Development Index – Look it up).  Still, I&#8217;m frequently reminded by Germans that my way of life is inferior.  Even your schadenfreude above regarding opinion of Americans in Latin America shows a bias you can&#8217;t seem to hide.  I too have traveled in Latin America and have never experienced any negativity about my nationality.  I speak Spanish well and spend time out of the tourist areas.  I&#8217;ve been invited into homes and enjoyed unbroken weeks with local families in Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua.   Not one mention of my citizenship was made.</p>
<p>As for your insistence that Indo-European languages did not first emerge in what is now north central India, I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;d really rely on Wikipedia.  Like I said, I have a degree from a university better than any in Germany on this subject and am thus more qualified than the 14-year-old genius who posted to Wikipedia.  The theory, like the theory of evolution, is only controversial to those without knowledge about the subject.  Like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-30120</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-30120</guid>
		<description>Still Bradley, you aren't as intelligent (or educated) as you think you are. Calling plain old prejudice "akin to racism" is unnecessary alarmism nevertheless. Read my friend, read. Perhaps you'll overcome your superiority complex and learn something useful. (See above posts of mine and yours.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still Bradley, you aren&#8217;t as intelligent (or educated) as you think you are. Calling plain old prejudice &#8220;akin to racism&#8221; is unnecessary alarmism nevertheless. Read my friend, read. Perhaps you&#8217;ll overcome your superiority complex and learn something useful. (See above posts of mine and yours.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Akers</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-30063</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Akers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-30063</guid>
		<description>Still Florian, you aren't as intelligent as you think you are.  I never said it WAS racism, only akin to racism.  Read my friend, read.  Perhaps you'll overcome your superiority complex and learn something useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still Florian, you aren&#8217;t as intelligent as you think you are.  I never said it WAS racism, only akin to racism.  Read my friend, read.  Perhaps you&#8217;ll overcome your superiority complex and learn something useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29641</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29641</guid>
		<description>Only *if* there were anyone who would explicitly posit the idea of an "American race" (which is patently even more asinine than the idea of a "Jewish race" and roughly comparable to the idea that there is a "homosexual race"), and attributed some qualities to that "race" that somehow proved their "innate inferiority", *then* the epithet "racism" would be appropriate. Attributing "innate arrogance" to the Americans is just plain old prejudice or bigotry, just as claiming that Muslims (who are equally obviously not a race or even ethnicity) are innately aggressive savages, or that Star Trek fans are pimply nerds with no life, and there is no reason to apply the term "racism" to it but ignorant alarmism and sensationalism. As if prejudice in itself wasn't bad enough already.

I loathe the overapplication of the word as it gradually begins to lose its meaning and turns into something overly quotidian and banal. People begin to shout "racism!" at every trivial occasion where somebody does not treat them nicely enough. Same with "fascism". That's a classical example of a dysphemism treadmill. Negative hyperbole, cacophemism, fighting words, power words, loaded language, all words for the same annoying phenomenon. Language as weapon. Which could actually be called a propaganda or brainwashing technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only *if* there were anyone who would explicitly posit the idea of an &#8220;American race&#8221; (which is patently even more asinine than the idea of a &#8220;Jewish race&#8221; and roughly comparable to the idea that there is a &#8220;homosexual race&#8221;), and attributed some qualities to that &#8220;race&#8221; that somehow proved their &#8220;innate inferiority&#8221;, *then* the epithet &#8220;racism&#8221; would be appropriate. Attributing &#8220;innate arrogance&#8221; to the Americans is just plain old prejudice or bigotry, just as claiming that Muslims (who are equally obviously not a race or even ethnicity) are innately aggressive savages, or that Star Trek fans are pimply nerds with no life, and there is no reason to apply the term &#8220;racism&#8221; to it but ignorant alarmism and sensationalism. As if prejudice in itself wasn&#8217;t bad enough already.</p>
<p>I loathe the overapplication of the word as it gradually begins to lose its meaning and turns into something overly quotidian and banal. People begin to shout &#8220;racism!&#8221; at every trivial occasion where somebody does not treat them nicely enough. Same with &#8220;fascism&#8221;. That&#8217;s a classical example of a dysphemism treadmill. Negative hyperbole, cacophemism, fighting words, power words, loaded language, all words for the same annoying phenomenon. Language as weapon. Which could actually be called a propaganda or brainwashing technique.</p>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29638</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29638</guid>
		<description>If something has nothing to do with races, it's not racism. Basta.

The ignorant bastard is you. The Indian sub-continent is South Asia, not Central Asia. And if you got educated about the matter, the idea that the Indo-European languages came from India is only current among Indian nationalists and totally discredited among experts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_India_theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something has nothing to do with races, it&#8217;s not racism. Basta.</p>
<p>The ignorant bastard is you. The Indian sub-continent is South Asia, not Central Asia. And if you got educated about the matter, the idea that the Indo-European languages came from India is only current among Indian nationalists and totally discredited among experts.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_India_theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_India_theory</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Akers</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29316</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Akers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-29316</guid>
		<description>Florian, even you must admit that claiming an "innate" inferiority of any kind is akin to racism.  That is my position. Basta.

I've a degree in English and linguistics from UC Berkley.  I know where the ancestral indo European language that morphed into English and German come from you ignorant bastard.   Your German education system has failed you again.  It is indeed from the Indian sub-continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florian, even you must admit that claiming an &#8220;innate&#8221; inferiority of any kind is akin to racism.  That is my position. Basta.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a degree in English and linguistics from UC Berkley.  I know where the ancestral indo European language that morphed into English and German come from you ignorant bastard.   Your German education system has failed you again.  It is indeed from the Indian sub-continent.</p>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28730</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28730</guid>
		<description>Richard: This is an issue of spelling, not of the language itself. In the spoken language, the problem does not exist.

English spelling has basically stayed the same since the late Middle English period, i. e. about 1400, and continues to reflect the way the language was pronounced back then.

That's the reason why it's such a mess. Unfortunately, updating it is not an easy task, as no other spelling would account as well for the different ways to pronounce English - the traditional spelling is perfectly neutral because it does not reflect any particular regional accent.

The only viable way to update the spelling would probably be to remove some of the most irregular spellings, such as "enough", by replacing it with "enuff". Even then, the disadvantage would be that the connection with related languages would be lost - "enough" resembles German "genug", much more than "enuff", "night" resembles Scots "nicht" and German "Nacht", "nite" far less so.

Shakespeare's English predates the split into British and American English - a number of actors have learned its pronunciation as an accent just like any other accent of English. I'd advise you to try and learn this pronunciation if you desire one that is "original". Or try the late Middle English pronunciation - it's as close to the spelling as you can get, and much more logical and familiar to Germans (especially considering that Middle English is more similar to German in some other ways as well. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: This is an issue of spelling, not of the language itself. In the spoken language, the problem does not exist.</p>
<p>English spelling has basically stayed the same since the late Middle English period, i. e. about 1400, and continues to reflect the way the language was pronounced back then.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the reason why it&#8217;s such a mess. Unfortunately, updating it is not an easy task, as no other spelling would account as well for the different ways to pronounce English - the traditional spelling is perfectly neutral because it does not reflect any particular regional accent.</p>
<p>The only viable way to update the spelling would probably be to remove some of the most irregular spellings, such as &#8220;enough&#8221;, by replacing it with &#8220;enuff&#8221;. Even then, the disadvantage would be that the connection with related languages would be lost - &#8220;enough&#8221; resembles German &#8220;genug&#8221;, much more than &#8220;enuff&#8221;, &#8220;night&#8221; resembles Scots &#8220;nicht&#8221; and German &#8220;Nacht&#8221;, &#8220;nite&#8221; far less so.</p>
<p>Shakespeare&#8217;s English predates the split into British and American English - a number of actors have learned its pronunciation as an accent just like any other accent of English. I&#8217;d advise you to try and learn this pronunciation if you desire one that is &#8220;original&#8221;. Or try the late Middle English pronunciation - it&#8217;s as close to the spelling as you can get, and much more logical and familiar to Germans (especially considering that Middle English is more similar to German in some other ways as well. <img src='http://nothingforungood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Florian Blaschke</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28724</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28724</guid>
		<description>How is resenting Americans and their language anything like racist? BS. They're not a different race. (Actually they're multiracial, just like Brits nowadays are. Just take a stroll through London and marvel at the many South Asians and Jamaicans.)

Also, the ancestral language of German and English was never spoken in Central Asia, but in Northern Germany, haha. If you're thinking about proto-Indo-European, the Ukraine is not in Central Asia, but in Eastern Europe, and suggesting that the Ukraine is in Central Asia is just as offensive and ignorant as calling the Americans "innately arrogant".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is resenting Americans and their language anything like racist? BS. They&#8217;re not a different race. (Actually they&#8217;re multiracial, just like Brits nowadays are. Just take a stroll through London and marvel at the many South Asians and Jamaicans.)</p>
<p>Also, the ancestral language of German and English was never spoken in Central Asia, but in Northern Germany, haha. If you&#8217;re thinking about proto-Indo-European, the Ukraine is not in Central Asia, but in Eastern Europe, and suggesting that the Ukraine is in Central Asia is just as offensive and ignorant as calling the Americans &#8220;innately arrogant&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Akers</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28558</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Akers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28558</guid>
		<description>@Randalf - Is that like your arrogance to assume that BE is better than AE?  Which roots exactly are you going back to?  If you go back far enough both German and English were the same language and even before that the ancestral language of both was found in central asia.  Perhaps we should all learn the proto-germanic language of the roots so you won't have to worry about "arrogance".

By the way, to say arrogance is innate is simply ignorant and no better than racist drivel you twit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Randalf - Is that like your arrogance to assume that BE is better than AE?  Which roots exactly are you going back to?  If you go back far enough both German and English were the same language and even before that the ancestral language of both was found in central asia.  Perhaps we should all learn the proto-germanic language of the roots so you won&#8217;t have to worry about &#8220;arrogance&#8221;.</p>
<p>By the way, to say arrogance is innate is simply ignorant and no better than racist drivel you twit.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28414</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nothingforungood.com/2008/07/18/germans-intentionally-learn-the-wrong-kind-of-english/#comment-28414</guid>
		<description>I grew up speaking both English and German as I am an amalgamation of both (English seems more prevalent in this blog; that's why I chose it here).

What i find confusing in English, from a learning standpoint, is the flexibility required to use English words properly. Follow me:

Will you READ this to me?
Have you READ it yet?

Ha ha, same word, different pronunciation. Deutsch does NOT do this to me.

More Examples

He will LEAD you astray.
That bunker is lined with LEAD (the metal).

The following are from: http://the_english_dept.tripod.com/eng.html

The bandage was wound around the wound.

The farm was used to produce produce.

The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

We must polish the Polish furniture.

The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert..

A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

I did not object to the object.

It's hard for me to judge either way since both come naturally to me; but it seems English, especially with silent letters not found in German, would be more difficult for foreigners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up speaking both English and German as I am an amalgamation of both (English seems more prevalent in this blog; that&#8217;s why I chose it here).</p>
<p>What i find confusing in English, from a learning standpoint, is the flexibility required to use English words properly. Follow me:</p>
<p>Will you READ this to me?<br />
Have you READ it yet?</p>
<p>Ha ha, same word, different pronunciation. Deutsch does NOT do this to me.</p>
<p>More Examples</p>
<p>He will LEAD you astray.<br />
That bunker is lined with LEAD (the metal).</p>
<p>The following are from: <a href="http://the_english_dept.tripod.com/eng.html" rel="nofollow">http://the_english_dept.tripod.com/eng.html</a></p>
<p>The bandage was wound around the wound.</p>
<p>The farm was used to produce produce.</p>
<p>The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.</p>
<p>We must polish the Polish furniture.</p>
<p>The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert..</p>
<p>A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.</p>
<p>When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.</p>
<p>I did not object to the object.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to judge either way since both come naturally to me; but it seems English, especially with silent letters not found in German, would be more difficult for foreigners.</p>
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